This is a page dedicated to the memories of people who lived here before the park. Please contribute your memories too!

Simon Dear and the Golden Eagle pub

My grandfather Alfred Robert Dear was born in the Golden Eagle Beer House on the corner of Trafalgar Road and Neate Street in 1908, after his family took over the pub the previous year. We have not been able to find any photos of the pub except for the one attached taken in 1921 that came to me through family.

Sadly, we don’t know where they were off it that day. We think it was the south coast, perhaps Brighton. This photo came from my Great Aunt Margaret now passed, but I do have my grandad’s photo album which has pictures taken at Brighton when he was around that age. My great grandfather (the Golden Eagle’s landlord)  is the chap with the bow tie in the front row. He always wore a bow tie on such occasions, so it’s not possible to tell for sure it was the same day.

Here’s my grandfather, aged around 13, on the back row:

This is how the pub looked in 1986, shortly before demolition. A very sad sight.

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Jenny Chapple and family

I visited on the open day along with my brother and sister on a nostalgic trip in September 2014. We had a tour of the bath house and told stories to the other visitors of our visits to the baths.  At the time it was believed that there had been about 11 baths, going by the pipes that could be seen in the ceiling from the floor below. From our memories and after wandering around upstairs we were all sure there had been many more baths even being able to recollect a rough layout. I see from the drawing of the bath house on your website that there were in the region of 50 baths in cubicles, this would fit in much more with the number we thought there were.

[As children, Jenny, with her brother and sister, lived in a house in Victory Square off New Church Rd, with no bathroom, so had to take a weekly bath at the bath house – Ed]

Also I’m still trying to find more information about the laundry for you. It seems it was an industrial laundry in the basement. Vans would bring the bags of washing (likely to be sheets and towels etc) and there were women who worked in there that would put the washing through the wash, spinners and tumble dryers. It would be folded and loaded back in the white linen sacks to be returned to the owners (possibly old peoples homes etc) I will try to find out more about this but not so many people left to ask. If I find any more info I will write again.

When we came we were trying to find out about the Lime Kiln as none of us could remember it but we have discovered that when we were in New Church Road the kiln was surrounded by corrugated fencing. We have discovered a photo showing this and again the memories came flooding back. We also found a photo of New Church Road as it was when we lived there.
Derelict kiln surrounded by corrugated iron fence

NewChurchRdIn this photo of New Church Road, the reclamation/junk yard is where the phone box is, and you can see the bath house at the end of the road on the left hand side of the photo. We lived on the corner of Victory Square which is just visible as a tiny street on the right hand side of the road just beyond the third car.

Jenny Chapple, January 2015.

Ken Pywell

My family and I have been aware for many years of the development of the Park over time and of its recent refurbishment. We visited in the winter of 2013 but found it closed off because of the work being done inside. We came again on the 25th of this month, with my Birthday as the excuse for the outing. We live in Shirley so the park is not exactly local to us.

My interest lies in the fact that, in my childhood in the 1930’s, I lived at No.57 Cowan Street. My son downloaded various old and not so old maps from the internet and, overlaying them, was able to determine with some degree of accuracy where that house used to be in relation to today’s landscape. It was very pleasing to find that it lay under what is now the tree-covered hill overlooking the north shore of the lake. Such a contrast to what used to be there !!

Modern aerial view with old streets superimposed

July 2013 satellite image with 1896 street plan superimposed

Cowan Street was divided into three parts, which were separated by Jardin Street and Calmington Road running at right-angles to it. No. 57 was at the extreme eastern end of the middle section and the much taller buildings in Calmington Road overlooked our back garden, which was very tiny. We used to say that the end nearest to Chumleigh Street was the “posh end” (there weren’t many children playing at that end), the other end was the “rough end” – very rough as I recall, and we in the middle bit were, well, just “respectable”. Posh or no, all us kids used to go to Saturday morning cinema at the Coronet and when the film started used to stand on the seats and cheer the “goodies” and boo the “Baddies”!

Street map showing houses and factories, with Ken's house ringed in red

1896 Ordnance Survey Map – no.57 ringed

I lived in Cowan Street from birth on 27th January 1932 until January 1941. During the Blitz we were bombed out. I was evacuated at the time to Yeovil with other children from Scarsdale Road School and some of the teachers. My Mum and Dad were trapped in their Anderson shelter, which had got buried with debris from the houses overlooking us in Calmington Road. They had to be dug out – fortunately they survived.

It was lovely to see the area as it is now. To have a lake is a real bonus. We actually saw a cormorant when we were there. Who, back in those days, would have thought all this possible? One disappointment, the footbridge was not open. Many times as a child I walked or pushed my tricycle over that bridge and was looking forward to walking over it again.

I have heard it said that there were plans after the first world war to turn this part of Camberwell into a park. I think those plans were interrupted by the next war. It’s good to know that it has now come to pass, no doubt through a great deal of hard work by your organisation and others. Thank you for that.

Ken Pywell (83), January 2015

More memories of Cowan St and a picture of the western end on Flickr here

Martin Scott – Memories of Albany Road…

….home of the Mills family and especially  my great grand aunt Clara Mills (Aunt Doll) and my great grandmother Sarah Ann Redman, nee Mills.

My great grand Aunt Clara Mills (nicknamed “Doll” possibly deriving from “Dolly”) was born in 1891 and was the ninth of ten children by Stephen and Jean Mills. Stephen was the son of a ropemaker from Hayle, a village on the north Cornwall coast who came to south London in the late 1860s to make a new life.

The Mills family (already with at least six children) came to live in Camberwell during the mid 1880s and moved into 292 Albany Road, just a few yards from the junction with Portland Street. I assume it was a very ordinary flat in one of the many tenement buildings on Albany Road at the time. According to the census records, Stephen and Jean were still resident at this address in 1911, so I assume that all of the ten siblings would have lived at 292 at some time before leaving the family home and moving on.

The photo below shows a portrait of Aunt Doll taken a little before WW1 making her around 20 years old at the time.

Victorian studio portrait of the young woman

In the years leading up to WW1, Aunt Doll and her older sister Alice (nicknamed “Al”) both had jobs as packers at the Cross & Blackwell preserves and pickle factory, either in Blue Anchor Lane or Lynton Road, Bermondsey, just a half mile or so from home. I think Alice was already married at this time.

My great grandmother Sarah Ann Mills, born in 1875, was another of Aunt Doll’s three older sisters. Sarah Ann married Thomas Redman in 1899 and they moved in next door to the Mills family at 290 Albany Road from then onwards. They had three children; my grandmother Kate Emily born in 1900, and then Frederick William and Alice Maud (nicknamed “Dinks”) a few years later.

During or just after WW1, Aunt Doll had moved into the downstairs flat of an early Victorian terraced house at 104 Albany Road, about 200 yards from the well-known “Thomas A’ Beckett” public house at the junction with the old Kent Road. In the 1920s she found employment as a clerk with HM Inland Revenue Service and continued there until her retirement around 1954. She never married.

My grandmother Kate Emily, married Algernon Harry Scott in Camberwell in the summer of 1924 and my father, Arthur Frederick (nicknamed “Freddie”) was born in East Dulwich Hospital in the November of the same year. They lived for a year or two in Albany Road before moving to Walthamstow but they still visited their relatives in Camberwell on a regular basis well into the 1950s. Aunt Doll was in fact my grandmothers aunt and because of their relatively small age gap, had always been quite close. She was also my dad’s favourite great aunt.

After hearing stories about the R.Whites distibution depot on the corner of Bagshot Street and the main factory premises in Neate Street, I can now understand why my dad had such a close affinity to the R.Whites brand name. Creme Soda became my absolute favourite fizzy drink growing up in the 1950s & 1960s.

After the death of my great grandfather Thomas Redman in the mid 1930s, great grandma Sarah Ann Redman moved into the upstairs flat at 104 Albany road where Aunt Doll could keep an eye on her. Sarah Ann lived there until her death in 1950 and the upstairs flat at 104 Albany Road was relet to a guy called Frankie Merritt who was still living there the last time I visited Aunt Doll together with my dad around 1971.

Freddie Scott known to most simply as “Fred” outside the Camberwell family, married Joan Mary Saggers at Hockley, Essex on 30th April 1949. A small contingent of Camberwell relatives turned out for the occasion with some of the ladies in their silver fox stoles. The Camberwell family members can be seen on the far left hand side of the group (except for the man at the extreme left who one of my mums cousins and is therefore standing on the wrong side)

Black and white wedding photograph

The five Camberwell relatives standing from left to right: Alice Maud Worth nee Redman, Freddie Worth, Jean Charlesworth nee Mills, Shirley Worth, then another of my mums cousins, then Clara Mills (Aunt Doll).

The three Camberwell relatives seated from left to right are: Alice Parish nee Redman (Sarah Anns sister in law), Sarah Ann Redman nee Mills , Kate Emily Scott nee Redman.

The author of this article, Martin Richard was born two years later to Fred and Joan Scott in Thorpe Coombe Hospital, Walthamstow on the 22nd May 1951. We moved to Harlow in south west Essex in late 1952.

Aunt Doll’s ground floor flat at 104 Albany Road was a typical 1840s London terraced house with a narrow gabled roof hidden behind a plain brick house front. A short “extension” at the garden end housed the kitchen/scullery with access to the outside WC. The flat was still lit by gas lamps in the early 1950s when aunt Doll very reluctantly had to make the changeover to electricity.

My dad borrowed £80 from Aunt Doll in early 1959 to fund the purchase of his first car, a black 1955 Ford Popular. I can remember the first visits to Aunt Doll in Albany Road around this time and it became a regular adventure driving into London from Harlow via the A11 through Stratford and the Mile End Road, across Tower Bridge, up to the Elephant & Castle and along the Old Kent Road. Because the junction of Albany Road with the Old Kent Road was a “no right turn” at the time, we would first turn right into Mina Road
(which we often missed) and instead had to turn next right into Cobourg Road or even Trafalgar Avenue and then double back to find our destination. The daytime journey in the 1960s was only about 75 miniutes.

Aunt Doll’s flat at number 104 was furnished with many old carpets some of which were threadbare and lots of heavy dark oak furniture. A similarly aged and always out of tune upright piano stood against one wall in the front room. She could read music and had apparently been quite an acceptable piano player in earlier times although I never heard her play. There was always a slight smell of mothballs in the air which added to the very tired feel of the interior. There was no central heating and no double glazing of course so the house was always cold, especially the front room which was never used. The kitchen had become the “living room” for which the trade off was very little daylight making it quite dark and where myriads of biscuit tins, jam jars and tea caddys adorned the shelves and filled the cupboards. She had also been a “spiritual medium” of some notoriety within the family which was perhaps another reason why the front room was always cold.

Aunt Doll’s length of residence in Albany Road spanned most of her life from the early 1890s until the early 1970s. After fifty years living at 104 she became slightly infirm and moved into Woburn Court, a sheltered home for elderly people in Bermondsey in 1972. I visited her there just once around Christmas 1973 still to be greeted in her ubiquitous “Ena Sharples” hair net. She died in 1975 aged 84. My parents attended her funeral, which I think took place at Nunhead cemetery.

In spite of WW2 bombing and extensive redevelopment of the area, fate has decreed that the terrace of houses including number 104 are still standing today and indeed must represent the last examples of early Victorian buildings on Albany Road, albeit completely modernised. Some are no longer downstairs /upstairs flats but have been converted into houses.

I hope this short article is of interest and may even have jogged the memories of people with their own stories of Albany Road or perhaps others who may even remember the names of some of my distant relative from Albany Road! It was after all a large family.
Martin Scott / January 2017 / Hilden, Germany

Stephen Waters – Memories of Wells Way

I lived opposite one of the entrances to Burgess Park in Wells Way before it expanded to the size it is now and  have fond memories of playing there when I was a boy. I was born in 1954 and lived with my mother, Joyce Waters (nee Carter) and my father John Waters at 65 Wells Way. We rented the small flat at the top of the house. A woman called Beatrice lived in the basement with her husband. I am not sure if it was their house. A girl called Diane used to look after me when my mother was out and I still have a photo of her playing with me in the back garden. I have often wondered what happened to her. My father passed away in 1956, but I continued to live there with my mother until 1960. Life wasn’t easy for a single mother in those days, but she had some small jobs and did some cleaning at the old vicarage in Wells Way. Sometimes we went there for events in the garden.

Stephen (far left) photographed by neighbour Lewis McLeod, Diane (Hewitt?), with Stephen in the garden of 65 Wells Way

We were friendly with a family opposite called McLeod who lived at no 100. Lewis McLeod was a highly respected cameraman who worked on programmes shown on television. He was also involved in filming the documentary: March to Aldermaston, which was produced by the Film and TV Committee for Nuclear Disarmament in 1958-1959. He went to film the war in Vietnam.

Lewis McCleod (left) with Muhammad Ali

My mother became life long friends with his wife after they met in Burgess Park. We often had picnics there and one day set up a small play tent. Unfortunately, the park keeper jobsworth told us to take it down because it was against regulations. We thought it was very mean of him! My mother told me that my father was late coming home from work one day. There was a pea souper (thick smog). She was worried that he might have lost his way so she went into the street and called out his name.  

Black and white photo of 2 and 3 storey houses. Mother and child walk away from camera

65 Wells Way – arrow marks Stephen’s house. The present bus stop is approximately where the family are walking

Stephen and his mother, Joyce

43 thoughts on “Memories

  1. Hi I live in Sydney Australia, so research is so difficult being so far away.
    But Does anyone remember a family who lived at 67 New Church Road during the time of the 1911 census. They were the JELLEY family (Arthur, his wife Rosina and children Francis, Walter, Arthur, Rosina & Richard) Arthur Jelley died in 1955 and I don’t know if he was still living in New Church Road, but I do know that for their whole lives they never moved from the area. I would love to know if anyone has a photo of Number 67 or if anyone has any memories of the Jelley family. Other than her name I have no knowledge of my Grandmother Rosina, only that she put all the children in St Olaves workhouse and left after baby Rosina died at a few months of age. I would love to be able to research her further for my Mother but can not go further back than the name of her Father Thomas Avery

  2. I, my two sisters and parents lived at 21Caldew Street which ran between Addington Square and Cheam Place. It ran parallel to New Church Road. I did find some photographs of Caldew Street on the internet but unfortunately they have since disappeared. We lived there from 1939 till about 1955. Like many others l used the public baths in Wells Way. As l was only able to pay for 2nd Class sometimes l had to suffer the indignanty of the attendant opening the door to tell me to hurry up. I returned to the area in around 1965 to live at the New Church Road end of Southampton Way. My neighbour, who went to the public meeting about the proposed creation of Burgess Park, told me of a well spoken man who protested that the size and shape of the proposed park was perfect for the landing of light aircraft and could assurances be given that it would not be used for that purpose. Like many others l have fond memories of the area but l do wish l could discover those photographs again.

    1. Hi Terry
      Thanks so much for sharing these memories! Fascinating stuff – especially the bit about the light plane landing. That will now re-enter local folklore, I can guarantee! I had a bit of a search around and found a few photos of Caldew St here on the Museum of London Website. These were probably taken by the GLC shortly before demolition – they did a good job of documenting their work! Do let us know if you spot your home in one of these, and we’ll get permission to include it on this page.

    2. My Nan lived at 29 Caldew street – the family name was Granger. I lived in Ewell Place backing on to Caldew street, facing the canal. I went St Georges school in New Church Road till about 1955. I remember most families in Caldew St as my cousins also lived there.

      1. We lived at 6 Ewell Place and i went to St Georges school 1950 -1955. We were the Fowler family.

  3. Hi Andrew
    Thank you so much for discovering those pictures of Caldew Street, some of them were the ones I had seen on another website but were unfortunately deleted. There are two pictures of the ‘ odd numbered ‘ side, one from each end, but 21 is at the far end of each one. In my childhood memory the houses did not look so bad but the ‘even numbered side’ are just as I remember. Comparing the two sides I can understand why the ‘evens’ had electricity and we had only gas. I must clarify that no light aircraft actually landed on the park just that the man was using the possibility as a way of protesting against the park’s creation. Thankfully his unrealistic fears were ignored.

    1. Yes I do. My name is Ken Cameron and I was at St Luke’s in the 60’s when he was head master.

  4. Anyone remember the King family – Len and Mary of 104 New Church Rd then 53 Rainbow Street??

    1. My parents bought number 53 from the King family in the late 70’s. I believe the man’s name was Tony King so possibly the son of Len and Mary?

  5. My mother in law, nee Rose Taylor, lived in Albany Road before being evacuated to Yeovil in 1939. They lived at 105 Albany Road. Her father, William Taylor, was a baker. Has anyone any information about the bakery at all, such as it’s name and whether it was at 105 Albany Road? Also, we think there was a pub opposite – was this the Lady Franklin? Any other memories of that time would be gratefully received. Thank you

  6. My Father owned the Neate Cafe in Neate Street from around 1962 until demolition in the 70s. I lived there until 1972. Did much of my courting by the Canal Bridge, which I believe is still there.

  7. Around 1954-56, my Mum and Dad along with my maternal grandparents were regulars of the Golden Eagle pub, and I remember spending many a Saturday evening outside with a lemonade and a bag of crisps! At that time, we all knew the pub as ‘Teds’ after the landlord. I seem to remember his wife was called Mabel. Does anyone remember these people or those days?

    1. I’m guessing that Simon Dear, the original post at the top, is Ted’s son since Alfred Robert Dear was his granddad. Ted’s wife was Amy. I can remember Ted had a jar on the bar of arrowroot biscuits and the beer being in wooden barrels, one of which was perched up on the bar too.
      As kids we used to stand outside the window on the right of the last photo and my granddad, John Stammers, would pass out a cream soda and coconut square. My family used to sit at a square table just inside that window and Ted used to let us in if we sat out of site and behaved ourselves.
      Mike, what were your mum and dad’s names and your Nan and granddad? I new a Micky Derrington from there, 205 or 203 I think.
      Names I can remember from the pub – Jimmy Johnson, Bill Ransom, Jacky Wolf, Sid Charrington, Denis and Pat Stammers (my aunt and uncle), John and Mary Stammers (my Nan and granddad), Alf and Joan Johnson (my mum and dad).
      My uncle had a lockup in the back yard of the pub between the pub and the buildings and we lived opposite at 207 Neate Street.
      Thanks for finding the photo Simon

  8. I remember the Neate Cafe. As I recall it was opposite the Queen public house where my mum and dad used to drink. The cafe was near the old footbridge. That’s where my mum fell and broke her leg. She was taken to hospital in one of those big Daimler ambulances.

    1. Just spotted your post from last year re Neate Cafe and The Queen PH. I am now in Australia but have photos of both before they were demolished. I am an IT Pigmy and am unsure about how I go about directing those photos to you or the site since the above notation says email addresses will not be published. Please excuse my ignorance.

      1. Thanks very much for your offer of images Richard! We can always put readers in touch, if they agree to have their email address shared – just say the word! I’ll email you personally, Richard. [Ed]

      2. Hi. I lived in the old alms houses in Chumleigh Street. I went to Coburg Rd school. please reply to David, nickname Joe Hancock

  9. My Family lived at 142 Neate st and moved out in the sixties due to the regeneration of the area.
    My granddad was a fishmonger in the 40s/50s and used to smoke his fish on the bank of the canal.
    My Dad told me he played football for the Queen pub and they was always borrowing the piano from the pub and wheeling it across the road for partys at 142.

  10. I am searching family history and am looking for information on an address that I have come across on an early census. The address is given as The Albany, Albany Road.
    I can’t seem to find any reference on recent maps and am assuming it may been in an area destroyed during the war.
    Any information would be most welcome.

    1. Hi Arthur
      This sounds like the Albany Arms on the corner of Albany Road and Cunard Street. It was right next door to the R White’s head office. Cunard Street has gone now, but was very close to Wells Way and what is now the Children’s Centre near Chumleigh Gardens. In fact, it’s possible that one of the very few remaining pieces of brick wall from the pre-park buildings belonged to the Albany!

      There’s a plan as well as a lot of information on who lived at the pub on the Pubwiki site here. There’s no picture on that page, but information about the owners and residents at the Albany. A couple of bombs fell on Cunard Street during the Blitz (1940-41), but the pub seems to have survived till at least 1944.

  11. My name is Dave Miller. I was born in 1928 in a block of flats at the Walworth Road end of Albany Road. Our Address was 41, The Albany. First Flat, just past Albany Road School. Left hand side as you enter Albany Road from the Walworth Road.
    My Dad was a dustman working for the Borough of Southwark. He drove a dustcart pulled by two horses. His route was Albany Road, along to Old Kent Road, etc.
    My Mum had 12 Sisters and one Brother (all born in King and Queen Street).
    They were the Holtons. We left Camberwell in 1934 (I think?). Moved to Honor Oak Estate, Brockley, then to (The Country!) Mottingham Council Estate, in Kent. I sitll consider myself to be a Walworth Boy. Thank you. xx

  12. Does anybody remember the surname WOODS? 3 Brothers… Burt, Les, & Danny mother’s name was Rose (her maiden name Lucus) they had a car showroom on the corner of Albany Rd, & were also in the Greengrocers trade. Any info would be fantastic & very helpful in my family search … Thanks

  13. Hello, Regarding the contributor of the top post about the Golden Eagle pub. I believe it may have been Catherine Dear but no name is shown. Would it be possible to forward my email address onto the contributor (even if it wasn’t Catherine). I have a photograph of her relatives outside the pub that she may be interested in having a copy of.
    Thank you.

  14. My grandparents, Jim and Eva Amiss, my mum – Diane, her sisters Pat and Christine, all lived at 289 Albany Road. Indeed, I did too as a baby, before slum clearance in the early 1960’s. If anyone remembers any them please let me know.

    Particularly interested in Stephen Walter’s story as he mentions Diane who may have been my mum.

    Best wishes,
    Helen Wicks

    1. l think l made contact with you on FB Helen a couple of years ago. Janet Simmons – used to be a friend of Diane’s and knew her mum and dad Eva and Jim who were customers in my dad’s shop in Albany road and they became friends of my mum and dad, Bert and Nan Rumble, who owned the shop on the corner of Albany road and Keesey street. Last time l saw Diane she was married to Arnie Dobbs and they had two small children Helen and Peter.

  15. Does anyone remember the doctor’s surgery in St George’s Way? Dr John and Frank Devlin had a practice there and the waiting room was often full of people. I remember how welcoming the surgery was. It was like home from home and they always had a two bar electric fire on during the winter months! Frank was a quietly spoken man and both doctors were very good. There were no computers in those days so all patients’ files were stored in a back room.

    1. Hi, Stephen. I remember the surgery well in St Georges Way. Frank was an army doctor, straight forward in his approach! He sent me to St Giles [hospital], and I ended up at Dulwich hospital for treatment to my spine, in which I had to attend weekly. They were good doctors and were forever calling in to our large family on their way home from surgery. We lived on corner of Wells Way, number 47. Our garden wall had many a lorry running into it, and the outside toilet was close to this!
      My Mum, Maudie, used to play the piano in the local pubs. Having visited a few times since, brings back so many memories during those happy years. We lived there from around 1941-64. Do you remember the Coronet cinema?

      1. Hi Sheila, it was nice to read about your memories. I didn’t know Frank was an army doctor. Is that what he did during the war? John came to my secondary school to do examinations in the late sixties. I think one of them lived in Love Walk, Camberwell, but I can’t remember which one. I remember Dulwich hospital. My late mother, Joyce, met my step-father there when she visited my grandfather. They married when I was 15. Sorry to hear you had problems with the lorries. One of my earliest memories was of looking out of the window from our flat onto Wells Way when three lorries got stuck trying to pass each other! I think there were a lot of tooting of horns. Lol. you must have lived there at the same time as us. We moved in 1960 when I was 6 years old. I’m afraid I don’t remember the cinema. We didn’t even have a television in those days, only the wireless, but we sometimes watched the McLeod’s tv across the road. I think Rawhide, the Western, had just begun and we were glued to it! Do you have any memories of the shops in Wells Way?

        1. Hi, Stephen. I think I have a memory of all those shops, but this would take too long! Alec, a Jewish man had the end newsagents next to bottle yard. Waste ground close to this, then Coronet cinema. There was a greengrocers, Russell’s sweet shop, and laundry. A little working man’s cafe, then opposite your house, an off license, etc, etc.
          My mum was a right laugh. She was always in Alec’s bad books! Always asking for him to serve us sweets, even though the rations weren’t due until two months time. He often relented as he wanted to get rid of her. He knew a large joint of meat would be coming his way (courtesy of my dad who was long distance lorry driver). Kind regards, Sheila

  16. Hello to Ken Pywell

    My dad, Jim Pepper seems to remember your family. He lived, I believe at 51 or 52 Cowan Street and went to Scarsdale Road School. He was born in 1926 and fortunately his long term memory is still good and he seems to be remembering more and more as time goes on. He did work briefly at Higgins and Jones, and he remembers all his aunts and uncles, some of whom I remember, they lived on Rainbow Street and Neate Street.
    It would be great for my Dad if someone would be willing to chat to him on the phone who remembers that area .

    kind regards, Hannah

  17. Hi

    I am researching my family history and have come across an entry for Albany Road, Camberwell in the 1841 census.
    I originally assumed Albany Road would comprise large grand houses overlooking Burgess Park but think I may be incorrect insofar as the park did not exist and Albany Road was full of tenement flats and or victorian type dwellings.
    Can anybody enlighten me as to Albany Road’s make up at this time.
    Thank you


    1. Hi Andrew
      You’re right – Albany Road was probably very different in 1840, 1940 and now 2020! It’s seen the houses come and go in that time. It was laid out around 1810, when the area was still countryside. Being on the border between Walworth/Newington and Camberwell parishes, it was away from those population centres. By 1840, there would have been a few nice large villas and detached houses springing up, with the park area still mostly market gardens, as well as a few industries such as stone and coal wharves on the canal and the limeburners, Burtts. By the 1880s, it would have been pretty much built up, with 6 pubs and many shops and businesses along Albany Road, and the park area pretty much full of houses and industrial buildings. Some of the larger houses would have been replaced by tenement blocks, as you say, and others divided into multi-occupancy. Then, as we tell it in the Jessie Burgess and the Abercrombie Plan page, it was all gradually removed between 1945 and 2000, back to parkland on the south, with yet anther generation of housing just going up now on the north side. You can track the development – rise and fall – of Albany Road in the street directories for the whole of that period, but do read them in conjunction with the street renumbering directory – Albany Road was renumbered twice!

  18. Thank you Andrew for your in depth response confirming my thoughts on the area around 1840.

    Of particular interest to me was that in the 1841 census, several properties towards the school at the end by Kent Road, listed servants alongside the family members. The Warde family which I am researching lived in one such property and I imagine it would have been one of the large villas that you mention although the census unfortunately didn’t list the property numbers. The family were not mentioned again in Albany Road and so I assume they moved on when the development starting taking place.

    Are you are aware of any publications that give an insight into 19th century Camberwell and Southwark as many of my family were residents there at the time, especially in Rolls Road (oil and colourman) and in the Bermondsey area.

    Kind regards


    1. Hi Andrew all of my mother’s family the Pursers/Cocksedges/Hodsons lived in and around Cobourg Rd/Neate Street. My granny and her sister were married at St Marks in a joint wedding in 1920 I have an amazing photo of them all in the grounds of St Marks. My mum had a life long love of R White’s lemonade because it was so close by. When the family moved to Kent to run a sweet shop R White’s was still delivered with the milk. My mum remembered her Dad telling her the commotion in the street was because Charlie Chaplin had come back to his birthplace. The family home in Cobourg Rd was lost in the Blitz but my great great granny continued to live in Camberwell until she died aged 80. My mum wrote all this down and called it ‘Halfpenny for the Grotto’ we’re not sure what grotto she meant but perhaps someone knows?

  19. Does anyone have any information please on the Horath family who lived at number 40 Albany road c1918? He was August and she Edith Marie plus two children Marie and Margaret.
    Many thanks

  20. Hello, I am researching my grandmother’s family. Her name was Rose Jupp (maiden name Jeffries), she came from a large family that lived in Scovell rd from her birth in 1910 – 1939 when I believe her husband George went to serve in the navy and never returned. In 1939 she moved into 56 Wells Way with her sister Ada, I’m assuming she was bombed during the war. In 1946 after the war she lived with her other sister Cecilia and her husband Robert Griscti at 36 Southampton way in the same area. I’m assuming my mother Sylvia was evacuated during the war but strangely she didn’t return home to Rose when the war ended despite being only 9 years old. I would love to solve the mystery of where Sylvia went and also learn more about this area during this period or find some photos of my grandparents. thank you Aminda

  21. Does anyone remember St Albans Catholic Church and school. I attended in the 1960’s as well as serving as an altar boy. Before that I attended Coburg Public school which still exists. We lived at 83 Albany Road.

  22. Is there a list of residents of Albany Road, circa 1820-1850? The 1841 census does not note the specific residences, just Albany Road.

    I am particularly interested in the Warde family who I know lived in Albany Road at this time. Ambrose Warde was the father and he and his wife Sarah had five children, Ambrose John, Sarah Leticia, Alicia Ellen, Cordelia and Thomas Augustus.

    I would very much like to know the name or number of the house they lived in on Albany Road.

  23. Does anyone have any information on the corner shop (Oil and Colourman) at 326 Rolls Road, run by an Edward Thomas Bowman and Martha Gilham in the late 19th century?
    Was it a general stores?

    1. Hi Andrew. ‘Oil and Colourman’ was a common name for a lot of shops around here, maybe due to the amount of building going on, as well as the industries – they were more or less paint suppliers. There was at least one ‘oil and colour’ works in the park – near Wells Way on the banks of the canal, next to Burtt’s Lime Kiln. If you Google it, you’ll see some misinformation about them being victuallers, but basically they were usually hardware stores, selling oil for lamps, candles (hence ‘Chandlers’ another name for the modern hardware store), and paints and dyes which they may have mixed themselves. Sometimes they could be part of an Artists’ Supplies shop, other times they were part of a Chemist and Druggists. So not quite a General Stores, I think.

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